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Оффлайн Rino

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Про эффект, то я могу привести описание американских морпехов на
Иводзиме, которые сталкивались с этим оружием.
И еще вопрос, вы знаете японский?

Цитировать
Вторая (Аполлон Перм) довольно специфическая байка.

Да, у него там ошибок хватает. Но есть интересные места.

Оффлайн Ivanoff

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Не, японского я не знаю, к сожалению.
А об эффекте воздействия конечно не прочь услышать.

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Вот, из разных источников.

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  One of the unique Japanese weapons that Marines encountered on Iwo Jima was the 320mm spigot mortar. These enormous defensive weapons were emplaced and operated by the Japanese Army's 20th Independent Mortar Battalion.

The mortar tube, which had a small cavity at the muzzle, rested on a steel baseplate which, in turn, was supported by a wooden platform. Unlike a conventional mortar, the five-foot long projectile was placed over the tube instead of being dropped down the barrel. The mortar shell had a diameter of nearly 13 inches, while the mortar tube was little more than 10 inches wide. The weapon could hurl a 675-pound shell a maximum of 1,440 yards. The range was adjusted by varying the powder charge, while changes in deflection were accomplished by brute force: shoving and pushing the base platform.

Although the tubes only held out for five or six rounds, enough shells were lobbed onto Marine positions to make a lasting impression on those who suffered through that campaign. According to a platoon leader who served with the 28th Marines, the spigot mortar (referred to as "the screaming Jesus" in his unit) was always afforded a healthy respect and, along with the eight-inch Japanese naval rocket, remains one of his most vivid memories of Iwo Jima. General Robert E. Cushman, Jr., who commanded the 2d battalion, 9th Marines, at Iwo Jima and went on to become the 25th Commandant of the Marine Corps, recalled that the tumbling projectile's inaccuracy made it that much more terrifying. "You could see it coming," he said, "but you never knew where the hell it was going to come down."
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...These were mentioned by my Great uncle who was a radioman for I company, 3rd Batallion, 383 Inf Regiment, 96th INF. Their first contact with what they called "Buzz bombs" THe shells were 320 mm (about 12.5 inches) and fired from a spigot mortar. THey carried several hundred pounds of explosive but were not designed to throw a lot of shrapnel, like a typical mortar and artillery shells. If they landed in soft ground like the rice paddies we were in, they made a big hole, but most of the explosive force was muffled by the dirt. However, as we found out later, if they landed in a rocky area they threw rocks like shrapnel and were very dangerous. Depending on the texture of the ground where they landed, they could make a hole about 30-40 feet across and 10-15 feet deep. These spigot mortars were used eextensively around KAKAZU but later in the campaign we didn't see much of them. I think the JAPS realized that their greatest effectiveness occurred when they could land the shells into rocky areas. Because of the size, and accompanying weight of hte spigot mortar itself, they must have been very cumbersome to move around and probably were used only in those areas where they had been emplaced before we landed. The accuracy was not very good, so the greatest damage would occur when they could catch us huddled up in rock areas. I don't think there were any casualties from the many shells they fired at us on the night of April 8th, 1945 at Okinawa...

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Вот еще один ресурс с информацией по курильскому десанту.

http://www.elizovolib.kamchatka.ru/

Закладки:
Краеведение - Камчатка в годы Великой отечественной войны - Курильская десантная.

Много воспоминаний, и вообще любопытного.   

 

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Rino
Позвольте и в Вас запустить ссылкой ;) Там обсуждение более общих вопросов, правда, но как краеведение по региону, на мой взгялд, более информативно.
http://tsushima.su/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1455&viewall=1

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Да, спасибо, очень информативное обсуждение. Еще бы эмоций им поменьше. :)

Оффлайн Rino

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Вот еще из японского официоза о боях на Шумшу.
Оспреевская книжка World War II Japanese Tank Tactics.

Честно говоря, ожидал гораздо большего от книги, изданной в 2008 году... 

Shimushu Island
Shimushu is the northernmost of the Kuril Islands, and the notional
border between Japan and the USSR runs between Shimushu and the
Kamchatka Peninsula. Among some 8,000 Japanese troops garrisoning
this remote island was the 11th Tank Regt, with 20x Type 97 Improved
medium tanks, 19x Type 97 mediums, and 25x Type 95 light tanks.
Colonel Sueo Ikeda's regiment comprised 1st-6th Tank Cos commanded
by Capts Funamizu, Miyaie, Fujii, Itoh, Furusawa and Komiya respectively,
and the Maintenance Company led by Capt Takahashi.
Mter the announcement ofJapan's surrender on August 15, the tanks
ceased to be maintained and guns and ammunition were removed. The
actual surrender would not take place for two weeks and, while ordering
its forces to cease offensive operations, Japan reserved the right of
self-defense. Stalin had long wished to gain control of the Kurils, and
decided to seize them before American occupation troops arrived.
The tanks were not ready to fight when the Soviets struck Shimushu
with just over 8,000 troops on August 18; the crews of about 20 of them
worked hastily on their tanks even as they followed Col Ikeda from the
11 th Tank Regt's base at Shikondai near the island's southwest end. At
around 5pm they reached Mt Tenjin near the island's center, and at
6.30pm they advanced north toward Mt Shirei. By the time they
encountered a Soviet company near the latter the Japanese force had
increased to 30 tanks.
At 6.50pm they attacked the Soviet troops and overran them. At
7.50pm, Col Ikeda decided to attack the nearby landing beach at the
island's northern end. The Japanese tanks charged into the beachhead,
attacking through the scattered defenders, while the Soviets rushed to
unload AT guns. As evening fog gathered over the beach it was difficult
for the tanks to locate the AT guns, and both sides suffered heavy losses
during a two-hour close-range battle. Over 100 Red Army troops were
killed; 96 Japanese tankers died, including Col Ikeda and four of his
company commanders; 21 Japanese tanks were destroyed in this last
battle of World War II. A ceasefire was agreed on August 20, and the
Japanese forces surrendered the island.

Оффлайн Владимир Калинин

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Да, японские танки, ведущие бой на пляже, это что-то! Они до сих пор стоят подбитыми там, где они реально вели бой, а оттуда до пляжа несколько километров! Не пустили их туда.

Информация имеет некоторую ценность, касающуюся состава сил японцев и их потерь, но все остальное - абсолютные сказки!

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Цитировать
но все остальное - абсолютные сказки!
Да, но вот в чем беда, это общеизвестная (в Японии) информация,
которая там в массах  как бы истина в последней инстанции.

Оффлайн Владимир Калинин

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Вообще-то - это проблемы японцев. Один раз они уже пали жертвами собственных иллюзий о том, как по их мнению должен быть устроен мир, но похоже, что урок усвоили не до конца и не утратили привычки подгонять реальность под мифологию. Впрочем, не они одни...